From jcowan@reutershealth.com Mon Mar 19 12:51:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 19 Mar 2001 20:51:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 21962 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 20:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 19 Mar 2001 20:51:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (204.243.9.36) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 20:51:17 -0000 Received: from reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[192.168.3.11]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/0.0.0) with ESMTP id PAA15076; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:53:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB671AB.9010406@reutershealth.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:52:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010215 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Invent Yourself Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] re: djuno [was: random lojban annoyance References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan Invent Yourself wrote: > krici > believe; 'creed' > > x1 believes [without evidence/proof] belief/creed x2 (du'u) is > true/assumed about subject x3 > > Can you give me any example some somebody believing anything without > evidence? Even the Son of Sam serial killer had evidence; his neighbor's > doberman told him to commit those murders. The evidence for a belief is another belief. I believe the sun has risen because I see a light in the sky, and I believe I see a light in the sky because ...? Some beliefs must be held without evidence, just as some truths must be postulated without proof. -- There is / one art || John Cowan no more / no less || http://www.reutershealth.com to do / all things || http://www.ccil.org/~cowan with art- / lessness \\ -- Piet Hein