From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 16:24:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 00:24:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 37172 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 00:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 00:24:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.186) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 01:25:32 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:28 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.41 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:24:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.41] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances.) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:24:27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2001 00:24:28.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FD9B2D0:01C0B0D4] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e > > > > > .i ro selkrici cu jitfa no da > > > > > Actually, as written it says: For every belief x, there is no standard > > by which x is false. > > > > What you meant (I presume) is: > > > > i no da cu se jitfa ro selkrici > > > > There is no standard such that every belief is false by it. > >How is it that you perform only a SE conversion but get such a different >meaning? Because the order of the quantifiers is reversed. "For every x there is no y such that..." is not the same as "There is no y such that for every x...". Logic 101 :) co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.