From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Mar 19 23:33:38 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 20 Mar 2001 07:33:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 64001 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2001 07:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2001 07:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta3 with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 08:34:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2K7YKU00494 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:34:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:34:20 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Knowledge (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances In-Reply-To: <87.867ce8d.27e809ef@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 pycyn@aol.com wrote: > So x1 says "I know that x2." y1 reports this, but s/he knows that x2 is not > true. How does s/he put the report. The safe way is to say "x1 claims to > know that x2," maybe adding "but s/he's wrong" or so. Or s/he might go into > indirect description, saying only "x1 believes that x2." In this case, y1 > can't say "knows" because he assumes that x1's epistemology is the same as > his own and on that epistemology, x2 is false. He might try "knows on x1's > epistemology," but he won't for to do so is to admit that the epistemolgy he > uses is not what everyone holds to and thus may be wrong -- which he cannot > admit with the conversational context again. Unless, of courses, x1 actually > included it in his claim, which makes the whole close to a tautology (though > not quite -- it is liable to become one if challenged, however). The existence of djuno x4 forces him to accept the FACT that there are other epistemologies than his own. A djuno x4, whether it translates exactly into the English "epistemology" or not, does not have to be logically consistent, scientifically consistent, or non-fattening. ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.