From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 18:45:12 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 02:45:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 4784 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 02:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 02:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.123) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 03:46:16 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:45:11 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.21 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:45:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.21] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances. Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:45:11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 02:45:11.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[F332FF60:01C0B1B0] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e >The question of the presence (or not) of an Objective Reality is boring, >but the question of whether or not a discussion is capable of ever >converging is interesting. Isn't it a trivial question though? Some discussions do converge and others diverge, so yes, a discussion is capable of converging. Or did you mean to refer to a specific discussion, such as the one about {djuno}? What I find interesting is that I remember using the very same word (divergent) about my discussions with Lojbab, maybe it was even about a previous round of the djuno discussion. >Then after all this discussion, I return to my original challenge: Show >me a case of a belief without any evidence, for commonly used definitions >of "evidence". For some people believing without any evidence, even against all evidence, is a virtue (faith). co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.