From xod@sixgirls.org Tue Mar 20 18:49:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 02:49:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 61241 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 02:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 02:49:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 03:50:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2L2oA203165 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la xod cusku di'e > > >The question of the presence (or not) of an Objective Reality is boring, > >but the question of whether or not a discussion is capable of ever > >converging is interesting. > > Isn't it a trivial question though? Some discussions do converge > and others diverge, so yes, a discussion is capable of converging. > Or did you mean to refer to a specific discussion, such as the one > about {djuno}? Well, in Chemistry, they were arguing certain topics 200 years ago, but they aren't arguing them anymore. In Philosophy, they are arguing many topics they were even 2000 years ago. I explored the difference in that balvi article which I believe you commented on. > What I find interesting is that I remember using the very same > word (divergent) about my discussions with Lojbab, maybe it was > even about a previous round of the djuno discussion. Interesting! I never saw that discussion. > >Then after all this discussion, I return to my original challenge: Show > >me a case of a belief without any evidence, for commonly used definitions > >of "evidence". > > For some people believing without any evidence, even against > all evidence, is a virtue (faith). They get their evidence from scripture. ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.