From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Mar 21 04:32:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 12:32:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 9368 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 12:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 12:32:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 12:32:07 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic199.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.199]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2LCW5b46801 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:32:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010321073140.00c848f0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:36:03 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. In-Reply-To: <20010320125824.S3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010320120853.00c07150@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010319131250.00c02230@127.0.0.1> <20010318183938.H3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20010319131250.00c02230@127.0.0.1> <20010319140349.S3953@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4.3.2.7.2.20010320120853.00c07150@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 12:58 PM 03/20/2001 -0500, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >Am I the _only_ person here who doesn't believe in this whole 'objective >reality' thing? Or, at least, that no human being can percieve >'objective reality', even if it does exist? Lojban supports you then. Use jetnu for subjective truth that is observer independent given a common epistemology, and djuno for subjective truth that is observer dependent (this seems to be where others don't necessarily agree with me because they don't like subjective truth to be called "knowledge", but you can always weaken the claim by using belief as your epistemology). fatci is the word for objective truth. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org