From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Mar 21 07:46:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 15:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 96917 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 15:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 15:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.201) by mta3 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 16:47:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:46:19 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:46:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances. Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:46:19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 15:46:19.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[12BBE280:01C0B21E] From: "Jorge Llambias" la lojbab cusku di'e >Simplest case that comes to mind: experimental measurements of the speed of >light or other fundamental constants. ko'a does the experiment and gets >value c1. (An experimental value with no errors?) What does ko'a know "experimentally"? You want to claim: "ko'a djuno fo " "naku jetnu fe " Are those your two claims? >ko'e repeats the experiment and gets value c2. The actual value >of c may be slightly different from either of these values, of course. In >this sense, the knowledge of the values c1 and c2 are both dependent on the >observers, yet neither of them is true in the absence of an observer place. You want to claim that each observer knows that their value is right and at the same time you claim that it is not true that either of the values is right? It doesn't make sense to me. >Probably the same would be true of much transient subjective sensory >information. I don't see how it could be true. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.