Subject: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances.

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:09:50

la lojbab cusku di'e

>Each observer knows a
>certain value measures the speed of light based on an experiment. By
>moving to an observer-independent frame, we can say that at least one of
>the two values is not the speed of light as measured by the experiment once
>observer dependencies are removed.

So you claim that:

John knows experimentally that c1 is the speed of light.
It is not true experimentally that c1 is the speed of light.

To me those two statements are contradictory. (They are also
wrong because an experiment can only tell you a range of
possible values for c with a certain degree of confidence,
but that is beside the point that we are dealing with, which is
whether something can be known in a system where it is not
true.)

>It would be true to ko'a by ko'a's senses.

Then it is {jetnu} by the same epistemology by which it is
{djuno}! Why do you say it is not? How do you translate
the above sentence into Lojban?

>But ko'a's senses are not
>generally considered to be a valid epistemology for observer independent
>truth (jetnu)

Generally considered? Some epistemologies are valid only for {djuno}
and not valid for {jetnu}?

co'o mi'e xorxes

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