From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Mar 21 15:44:21 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 21 Mar 2001 23:44:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 23835 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2001 23:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 21 Mar 2001 23:44:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 23:44:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2LNjJT06039 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:45:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:45:18 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyances. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la xod cusku di'e > > >Then how do they become aware of God? > > By way of His Grace, I suppose. > > >Even the Xians teach that the > >Gospels must be evangelized; they don't expect the elect to receive it > >directly. > > Wasn't it Christ Himself that chastized Thomas for not believing > without seeing? Didn't He bless those that do? Isn't it wonderful > when you can use the Bible to support your argument? :) It's even odder to coerce me into arguing for any religion! But Christ's apostles went forth to spread the Word. Why did they bother at all? Why wasn't God's Grace enough? The fool is the one who doubts after hearing the Gospel. But they have to hear the Gospel first. It's not instinctive knowledge. ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.