From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Mar 22 05:39:39 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 22 Mar 2001 13:39:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 4470 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2001 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 13:39:38 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (ppp35.net-A.cais.net [205.252.61.35]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2MDdba43883 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322083629.00abba00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:43:47 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Objective Reality & krici (was: Random lojban questions/annoyanc... In-Reply-To: References: <44.c4c090b.27ea41f9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 04:38 PM 03/21/2001 -0500, Invent Yourself wrote: >Great summary! I never claimed "good evidence", or "evidence you and I >would agree to". A great many beliefs are based on evidence that I do not >approve of. But they ARE based on something that is taken as evidence by >the believers. And that's why krici is a meaningless term. Its true >meaning is "djuno where x4 is controversial". I guess coming from a scientific background, I have always defined "evidence" in terms of repeatability or at least independent verifiability. A phenomenon that is experienced only by one person is not "evidence", nor is testimony that is not itself backed by such direct evidence (they call that "hearsay" in the courts and will not consider it as evidence). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org