From xod@sixgirls.org Thu Mar 22 17:11:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 23 Mar 2001 01:11:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 52216 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2001 01:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2001 01:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta3 with SMTP; 23 Mar 2001 02:12:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2N1C9t09809 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:12:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:12:09 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [lojban] krici In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Invent Yourself On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > la xod cusku di'e > > >And I re-issue my challenge: Show me a case of somebody believing > >something without evidence according to the first usage, not the second. > > I sometimes believe in God's existence, though I am not aware of > any evidence to justify that belief, in fact I strongly opine > that there is none. So, you're saying when you believe in God you don't really believe in God, because absolutely nothing has convinced you that He exists even when you are in a state of "belief"? This is surely not what most people consider belief. Most religious people, followers of political doctrines, kook conspiracy theorists, racists, and the insane feel they have AMPLE evidence for their beliefs. I have yet to hear anybody say anything like "I believe that a CIA conspiracy killed JFK, but I admit there isn't a shred of evidence to prove it." ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.