From robin@BILKENT.EDU.TR Sat Mar 24 10:30:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: robin@Bilkent.EDU.TR X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 24 Mar 2001 18:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 30712 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 18:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2001 18:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr) (139.179.10.13) by mta2 with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 18:30:40 -0000 Received: from neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr (IDENT:robin@fen130 [139.179.97.69]) by firat.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f2OIa0804624 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:36:00 +0200 (EET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Bilkent University To: Subject: Re: [lojban] Marketing lojban Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:33:11 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322095151.00c2c980@127.0.0.1> <4.3.2.7.2.20010322163910.00b9dd60@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322163910.00b9dd60@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01032420331100.03095@neo.fen.bilkent.edu.tr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Robin Turner > >Second (and last, I'm almost done. :) is that at one point I started > >reformatting the draft textbook in LaTeX so I could print it out and have > >something pleasent to look at it. Its a metric buttload of work, so I > >stopped because it wasn't worth my time for just myself. Assuming you're using a UNIX-type OS, download the latest version of wv, which converts MS Word documents to reasonable LaTeX (and can be used as a LyX plugin). > > Those of us in the Windoze world don't know what to do with TeX and its > relatives. The master of the draft textbook is in Microsoft Word, which is > on the website. And those of us outside the Windoze world don't like Word documents, even if we have something that can read them ;-) I suggest we adopt PDF for long documents on the site, and stick to HTML for shorter stuff. PDF is not ideal by any means, but at least it's cross-platform. > > >(I was also correcting errors and bringing it up to date) Would it be > >worthwhile to > >finish, or is it too out of date? > > What do you mean by "out of date"? There is no newer version, nor is > anyone working on one. > > If you complete such a thing, we could add it to the Web site. Whether > anyone wants such a thing, I can't say. The textbook has minor errors, but > its primary flaws are incompleteness and an aborted concept of Lojban > pedagogy. The incompleteness is partly in lack of coverage of the whole > language, but much more severe in its lack of copious examples, exercises > and practice readings and writings of the sort that language education > requires. I learned what I was doing wrong in the textbook when I started > self-teaching Russian, and simply haven't had the time to start over again > (though lesson 1 is much more along the lines of what I envision than the > rest). Well, there are also my lessons, which lojbab and Nick may take up. I don't have time to do any more work on them for the time being, but anyone is welcome to do what they want with them (assuming proper credit is given). robin.tr