From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Mar 26 09:30:11 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 26 Mar 2001 17:30:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 40929 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2001 17:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 26 Mar 2001 17:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-3.cais.net) (205.252.14.73) by mta3 with SMTP; 26 Mar 2001 18:31:14 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (209-8-89-81.dynamic.cais.com [209.8.89.81]) by stmpy-3.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2QHU8a66409 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010326123216.00b3fde0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:33:36 -0500 To: lojban Subject: Re: djuno debate (was: RE: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances.) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 05:08 PM 03/26/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >I should add that thanks to pc & John I now understand DJUNO better, & >I don't think there's a conflict between what I said above and the actual >meaning of DJUNO. If I say "mi djuno ko'a (fo zo'e)", I'm essentially claiming >that you can only dispute ko'a if you argue that the ve djuno is invalid. > >This would contrast with KRICI, where if I say "mi krici ko'a" I am >allowing that >you may arbitrarily and without reason not krici ko'a, and with JINVI, where >if I say "my jinvi ko'a" I am allowing that you might not jinvi ko'a, but >if you >don't then it is susceptible to quasirational discussion in which we >eventially >out to *converge* on a se jinvi.. I think that sounds reasonable, and non-contradictory of anything I've said. I guess the meaning of djuno is a se jinvi %^) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org