From arosta@uclan.ac.uk Wed Mar 28 03:44:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 28 Mar 2001 11:44:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25086 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2001 11:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 28 Mar 2001 11:44:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 11:44:03 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:26:35 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:44:49 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:44:29 +0100 To: rlpowell , lojban Subject: Re: djuno debate (was: RE: [lojban] Random lojban questions/annoyances.) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From: And Rosta #On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 10:19:12PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: #> In that debate, which ran along similar lines to the current one, #> the majority view, then as now, was that djuno =3D 'know' (and it is #> a fact not controvertible by adducing sundry half-baked dictionary #> 'definitions', that in all dialects of English the meaning of #> "know" is such that if "x knows y" is true then "y" is true). # #I'm mostly no longer interested in this discussion, but I'd really #appreciate it if people stopped telling me (and all my friends) that as #a native English speaker, my 'dialect' (standard NA Engish) is invalid. I too am disinclined to discuss it, not least because it's a separate issue from that concerning the sense of DJUNO and the other epistemic gismu, but let me clarify that I don't jinvi that you and your friends speak an invalid or nonEnglish dialect; rather, I jinvi that you have misreported the dialect of you and your friends or else that you have misunderstood the intended definitions of pc, John, Jorge and me and hence failed to realize that this intended definition does in fact apply also to your dialect. (Doubtless you'll still find my actual se jinvi objectionable, though.) --And.