From graywyvern@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 16:02:24 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 00:02:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 35028 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 00:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 00:02:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.29) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 00:02:23 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:02:22 -0800 Received: from 65.67.96.113 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:02:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.67.96.113] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Aussies [Re: djuno: the key issue (was: Re: Fwd: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/...] Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:02:22 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 00:02:22.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[87BFD850:01C0B7E3] From: "michael helsem" >From: "Jorge Llambias" li'o >So how do we translate into Lojban the English "doesn't know" >or "ignores", which require a true complement? I think it's >{toldjuno}: > > cy pu toldjuno le du'u la kanberys cu trutca le sralygu'e > it does show we are somewhat awkwardly lacking in a good word for "wrong" (besides TOLDRANI). SE TCICA FI implies an agent; XLALI BIRTI leaves XAMGU BIRTI as an implied synonym for DJUNO; & DJUNO FO LE JITFA (or TOLDRANI) which is to me the most LOBYKAI, i'm not sure doesn't rule out them being right for the wrong reasons... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com