From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Mar 28 17:37:06 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 01:37:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 43854 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 01:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.79) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 01:37:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:37:05 -0800 Received: from 200.41.210.16 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:37:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.16] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [PHIL] Re: Aussies [Re: djuno: the key issue (was: Re: Fwd: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/...] Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:37:05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2001 01:37:05.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3093B10:01C0B7F0] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e > > I don't think anyone who knows what the capital of Australia is > > would say that "Robin knew that Sydney is the capital of Australia". > >This only means one thing. That "djuno" is not completely substitutable >with "know". I agree that "djuno" is not completely substituable with "know", the negation examples show that. But the sentence you quoted does not show that. {mi pu djuno le du'u la sidnis trutca le sralygu'e} is just as weird as "I knew that Sydney is the capital of Australia", so in this case they are substituable. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.