From xod@sixgirls.org Wed Mar 28 19:32:13 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 29 Mar 2001 03:32:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 4922 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2001 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2001 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (206.252.141.232) by mta2 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2001 03:32:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2T3WH202954 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:32:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:32:17 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [PHIL] Aussies [Re: djuno: the key issue (was: Re: Fwd: Re: [lojban] Random lojban questions/...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-eGroups-From: Value Yourself From: Value Yourself On Thu, 29 Mar 2001, Jorge Llambias wrote: > > la xod cusku di'e > > > > I don't think anyone who knows what the capital of Australia is > > > would say that "Robin knew that Sydney is the capital of Australia". > > > >This only means one thing. That "djuno" is not completely substitutable > >with "know". > > I agree that "djuno" is not completely substituable with "know", > the negation examples show that. > > But the sentence you quoted does not show that. {mi pu djuno > le du'u la sidnis trutca le sralygu'e} is just as weird as > "I knew that Sydney is the capital of Australia", so in this > case they are substituable. How do you justify that it's just as weird? Remember, x4 is unspecified. ----- "The trees are green, since green is good for the eyes". I agreed with him, and added, that God had created cattle, since beef soups strengthen man; that he created the donkey, so that it might give man something with which to compare himself; and he had created man, to eat beef soup and not be a donkey.