From jjllambias@hotmail.com Thu Mar 29 18:45:19 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 02:45:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 29459 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 02:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 02:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.129) by mta3 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 03:46:22 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:45:18 -0800 Received: from 200.41.247.46 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:45:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.46] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] the reason for x4 of {djuno}? Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:45:17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2001 02:45:18.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[7498D340:01C0B8C3] From: "Jorge Llambias" la xod cusku di'e >What if there is a dispute between two people? What if there is? One says that Sydney is the capital of Australia, the other claims that it is Canberra. If they share a common epistemology they will in this case fairly quickly be able to figure out who is right and who is wrong. >If the realm of discussion >is of a certain type, mathematical proofs and scientific experiments will >break the deadlock Right, in many cases that is how the common epistemology is developed. >-- although in practice, bad scientific stances often >linger until their adherents die off and are replaced with a new >generation of scholars. Right. And why would we want to claim those bad scientific stances as truths? >But what about the disputes between Trotskyists >and Maoists? Which is correct and which is incorrect in this One Truth >model? I don't know, probably neither of them. Maybe it doesn't even make sense to say that one is correct. I don't see how it would help to claim that each of them knows a truth which the other knows to be false. >And if one of them makes as assertion, doesn't it need the x4 place >filled up? What kind of assertion? Most assertions don't have an epistemology x4 place. Are you saying that we must accept every assertion as a truth? co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.