From pycyn@aol.com Fri Mar 30 10:04:51 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_0_4); 30 Mar 2001 18:04:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 69600 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2001 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2001 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta1 with SMTP; 30 Mar 2001 18:04:49 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.92.126fae79 (4073) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:04:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92.126fae79.27f624b4@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:04:36 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] the reason for x4 of {djuno}? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_92.126fae79.27f624b4_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10501 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_92.126fae79.27f624b4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2001 7:23:49 AM Central Standard Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > Right, but how does calling those statements "mistakenly true" > instead of "false" help? > It looks to me that this discussion glides too readily over the point that truth -- in lojban -- is also relative to a belief system (much better than "epistemology", but still not quite right). Discussion between Maoist and Trotskyites (I had an officemate once who was Socialist Workers and so ahd the fights in his own head) eventually come down to fights between whole belief systems, which channge too slowly for political effectiveness, whence purges. "Mistakenly true" is actually rather nice -- true, but on a totally muddled epistemology; not possible in English, at least so clearly. --part1_92.126fae79.27f624b4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/30/2001 7:23:49 AM Central Standard Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:


Right, but how does calling those statements "mistakenly true"
instead of "false" help?

It looks to me that this discussion glides too readily over the point that
truth -- in lojban -- is also relative to a belief system (much better than
"epistemology", but still not quite right).  Discussion between Maoist and
Trotskyites (I had an officemate once who was Socialist Workers and so ahd
the fights in his own head) eventually come down to fights between whole
belief systems, which channge too slowly for political effectiveness, whence
purges.  "Mistakenly true" is actually rather nice -- true, but on a totally
muddled epistemology; not possible in English, at least so clearly.
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