From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sun Apr 01 12:58:49 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 1 Apr 2001 19:58:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 61627 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2001 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2001 19:58:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.147) by mta3 with SMTP; 1 Apr 2001 20:59:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:58:48 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.41 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:58:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.41] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Random lojban questions/annoyances. Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 19:58:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2001 19:58:48.0562 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A8ECD20:01C0BAE6] From: "Jorge Llambias" la adam cusku di'e >I'm not sure I can think of an example that justifies the distinction >between "ka" and "nu", either. Does "mi mutce le nu xenru" or "le ka >sipna cu nibli le ka nalsanji" mean anything so different than the >version with the other abstractor? Oh, I completely agree with you. And you can add {du'u} to the list as well. The problem is that whereas {nu} by definition encompasses za'i/pu'u/mu'e/zu'o, there is nothing that encompasses nu/ka/du'u, unless we started using {su'u} for that, but it is more inconvenient than {nu} or {ka}. >There may be examples where there >is a real distinction, but they seem pretty rare. And yet we all >constantly make a distinction between "ka" and "nu". Yes, we do. And sometimes this causes me pointless quandaries trying to decide which one to use, as if the resulting meaning would be anything different. But we are forced to make the distinction. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.