From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 16:15:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 23:15:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 86987 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 23:15:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.138) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 00:16:05 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:15:00 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.3 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:15:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.3] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] srana le'i sucta cmavo Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:15:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 23:15:00.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDE0FB40:01C0BBCA] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >Almost by definition (maybe even actually), activities do not have goals >and >as soon as they do, they transmogrify into processes, which are defined >largely by having goals. But in "I write for fun", isn't there goal, and isn't my writing an activity? I would say: {mi zukte le nu mi finti kei le nu mi se zdile}, but if forced to to specify the nu's, wouldn't that have to be: {mi zukte le zu'o mi finti kei le za'i mi se zdile}? >but in any case, trying to define the meaning of cmavo in Lojban >rather than in English is very helpful and necessary.> > >Yes, but in the process, I think that {nu} needs also to be eliminated from >the exposition, else it becomes trivial that all the others can be replaced >by {nu}. In all my definitions, {nu broda} can be replaced by the long definition, of course. That's what I did for {pu'u}, but not with the others just for conciseness. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.