From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 16:38:35 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 2 Apr 2001 23:38:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 12235 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2001 23:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 2 Apr 2001 23:38:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.159) by mta2 with SMTP; 2 Apr 2001 23:38:34 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 16:38:34 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.3 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:38:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.3] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] srana le'i sucta cmavo Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:38:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 23:38:34.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[088E1440:01C0BBCE] From: "Jorge Llambias" la ritcrd cusku di'e >The other usage I remember seeing was a translation of the joke > >- my dog has no nose >- how does he smell? >- awful > >where the 2nd phrase was translated as something like > >le su'u sumne pe gy. cu mo I bet the translation is incomprehensible for anyone who doesn't already know the English version. The straightforward way of translating "how does he smell?" is of course {gy sumne sepi'o ma}, and the other sense is {ma panci gy}. I don't think that trying to force the joke in Lojban could result in a convincing use of {su'u}. >Perhaps SU'U has a niche in translating ambiguous uses of the English >word HOW. But that joke is not based on an ambiguity of "how", it's based mainly on the ambiguity of "smell". >I once looked into other ways of translating HOW, along the >lines of "what method", but it seemed rather clumsy and verbose. Maybe {cu'eku} can work as a translation for the vaguest senses of "how?". Then we have: jei = du'u xukau ni = ka sela'u makau su'u = nu cu'ekauku co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.