From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Apr 02 17:32:16 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_0_1); 3 Apr 2001 00:32:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 89691 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 00:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 00:32:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.12) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 01:33:19 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:32:15 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.3 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:32:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.3] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] srana le'i sucta cmavo Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 00:32:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 00:32:15.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[87FC4920:01C0BBD5] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >So, as soon as you have fun writing, you stop? No? Then it is probably >not >a goal, merely a reason or a motive or a purpose. Ok, I should have asked whether every activity has a terzukte. I suppose not, since there are non-volitional activities, so we need a word for "activity" other than {selzukte}. >Lojban does not sort these >out too well (surprisingly, given how much messy detail it gets into in >other >areas). We do have krinu and mukti, but terzukte seems to include both "purpose" and "goal". >I rather think that that kind of writing is an activity, though >whether {finti} is or not is less clear; it seems to be a process or an >achievement, since the work has a clear ending point and nothing short of >that point counts as doing it. I don't know, it is certainly not the ciska part that is fun. And in "I write for a living", it would not usually be the nu ciska for which one would be paid. finti a given work would be a process, but finti for a living would be an activity, I think. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.