From pycyn@aol.com Mon Apr 02 18:46:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 3 Apr 2001 01:46:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 60140 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2001 01:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2001 01:46:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta3 with SMTP; 3 Apr 2001 02:47:48 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.16.b0fdf97 (17085) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16.b0fdf97.27fa8578@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:46:32 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] srana le'i sucta cmavo To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_16.b0fdf97.27fa8578_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_16.b0fdf97.27fa8578_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2001 7:33:33 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: > I don't know, it is certainly not the ciska part that is fun. > And in "I write for a living", it would not usually be the nu > ciska for which one would be paid. finti a given work would > be a process, but finti for a living would be an activity, > I think. > Okay, although in the long term of things I suspect that more people have been paid for the writing than the inventing part. Here and now is another matter. But the general case -- for money or not -- is an activity with a related state (being an author -- but can one do that without having authored anything? Lojban being what it is, yes.). Which makes it a little hard to figure out when they don't coincide. "purpose" seems to be {terdji} but I need to run through the places a few times to be sure. and {krinu} and {mukti} need looking at as well. What, I wonder, is unequivocally "goal"? But {selzukte} is a non-starter since it clearly (and overtly) includes processes -- at least. --part1_16.b0fdf97.27fa8578_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/2/2001 7:33:33 PM Central Daylight Time,
jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:



I don't know, it is certainly not the ciska part that is fun.
And in "I write for a living", it would not usually be the nu
ciska for which one would be paid. finti a given work would
be a process, but finti for a living would be an activity,
I think.



Okay, although in the long term of things I suspect that more people have
been paid for the writing than the inventing part.  Here and now is another
matter. But the general case -- for money or not -- is an activity with a
related state (being an author -- but can one do that without having authored
anything? Lojban being what it is, yes.).

<We do have krinu and mukti, but terzukte seems to include both
"purpose" and "goal".>

Which makes it a little hard to figure out when they don't coincide.  
"purpose" seems to be {terdji} but I need to run through the places a few
times to be sure.  and {krinu} and {mukti} need looking at as well.  What, I
wonder, is unequivocally "goal"?

<we need a word for "activity" other than {selzukte}.>
But {selzukte} is a non-starter since it clearly (and overtly) includes
processes -- at least.



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