From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Apr 04 21:15:17 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 5 Apr 2001 04:15:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 30966 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2001 04:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2001 04:15:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.188) by mta3 with SMTP; 5 Apr 2001 05:16:20 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 21:15:16 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.13 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:15:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.13] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] srana le'i sucta cmavo Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:15:16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 04:15:16.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[04A4D5C0:01C0BD87] From: "Jorge Llambias" la maikl cusku di'e > >Could you be more specific as to how they convey contours? > >See part 3 of chapter 11. Also somewhere on the Lojban home >page is a short paper on event contours with reference to >graphically representing them (in my mind--perhaps this is too >esoteric--the ADSR, Attack (Decay) Sustain & whatever R was, Release, I believe. >in music theory: is just that sort of graph). Yes, I read that, and I understand how the aspects enter into the picture. I never understood (and still don't) how the different NUs made any difference. > >I don't really > >know what {si'o} means. Is {si'o broda} maybe something like > >{sidbo le nu broda}? It would be horribly vague. > >I imagine this one would find use among philosophers, where SI'O >BRODA actually stands for a whole line of argumentation, rather >than simply the abstraction of a simple gismu. Certainly when we >say in English "the idea of Freedom" we aren't referring to the >dictionary definition. {le sidbo be le nu zifre}. I this {sidbo be le nu} something so frequent and basic that it needs a special grammatical shortcut? > >pu'u broda = pruce co nu broda > >i don't see why not just PRUCE CO BRODA I was just using the previous definition of {nu broda}. A tanru like {broda pruce} doesn't really help much as a definition. Not that my definition of {nu broda} was much better, but at least it mentioned all the {le broda}, {le se broda}, etc that are involved in the event. >then KLANI CO BRODA Which again means nothing because it could mean anything. >yes; i hate to say it but someday we'll have to write the lojban dictionary >in lojban! Of course we will, to describe the language in its own terms is much more important than doing it in English, and I think that the description of cmavo in Lojban would be the best way to start. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.