From pycyn@aol.com Thu Apr 05 20:17:42 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 03:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 36514 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 03:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 03:17:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta1 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 03:17:41 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.3f.131cfec9 (25515) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f.131cfec9.27fe8f4c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 23:17:32 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Not because To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3f.131cfec9.27fe8f4c_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_3f.131cfec9.27fe8f4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/2001 9:55:24 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@oltronics.net writes: > > The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy > firecrackers, not because they are Americans. > > The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy > firecrackers, not because they live below me.> > Not clear what you are asking. These all look like reasons or motives, the first might be causal. Try working with the reverse order "the fact that they... causes/is a reason for/is a motive for that they enjoy..." Or is the problem how to hook the clauses together? --part1_3f.131cfec9.27fe8f4c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/2001 9:55:24 PM Central Daylight Time,
phma@oltronics.net writes:



<How do we distinguish "not because" in these sentences?:

The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy
firecrackers, not because they are Americans.

The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy
firecrackers, not because they live below me.>



Not clear what you are asking.  These all look like reasons or motives, the
first might be causal.  Try working with the reverse order "the fact that
they... causes/is a reason for/is a motive for that they enjoy..."
Or is the problem how to hook the clauses together?
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