From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Apr 06 08:46:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 6 Apr 2001 15:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 93885 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2001 15:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2001 15:46:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-1.cais.net) (205.252.14.71) by mta2 with SMTP; 6 Apr 2001 15:46:18 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (92.dynamic.cais.com [207.226.56.92]) by stmpy-1.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f36FkH257368 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010406114142.00ba2540@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:49:53 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Not because In-Reply-To: <0104052149550A.11949@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 09:46 PM 04/05/2001 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >How do we distinguish "not because" in these sentences?: > >The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy >firecrackers, not because they are Americans. Based on your clarification, this is better rephrased as The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy firecrackers, despite the fact that they are not Americans. You thus can use ki'u lenu (they love firecrackers) kei ki'unai lenu (they are not Americans). Or join the second clause with ijeki'unai which makes it more clear that they are not Americans because of the ije >The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they enjoy >firecrackers, not because they live below me. Since the second clause is irrelevant, you can join it with .iju, making it .ijuki'unai only if you want to show the parallel to the former. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org