Subject: Re: [lojban] Not because

From: "Jorge Llambias" <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 21:55:33

la lojbab cusku di'e

>You thus can use ki'u lenu (they love firecrackers) kei ki'unai lenu (they
>are not Americans).

I agree.

>Or join the second clause with ijeki'unai which makes it more clear that
>they are not Americans because of the ije

But this one doesn't work so well, because you'd be saying
that the ki'unai clause applies to the whole previous sentence,
ki'u included, and that is not the wanted meaning.

What would be the selbri corresponding to ki'unai the way
that krinu corresponds to ki'u? It is not nalki'u, but it
seems that tolki'u could work:

tolki'u: x1 is no obstacle for/does not prevent x2.
x2 happens in spite of/even though x1.

> >The Vietnamese get into the Fourth of July celebrations because they 
>enjoy
> >firecrackers, not because they live below me.
>
>Since the second clause is irrelevant, you can join it with .iju, making it
>.ijuki'unai only if you want to show the parallel to the former.

But then it is not asserted that they live below me. I think this
one is just:

le nu vy nelci lei tanfagri kei enai le nu vy xabju le cnita be mi
cu krinu le nu vy salci le se detri be li vopi'eze

co'o mi'e xorxes

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