From pycyn@aol.com Wed Apr 11 13:32:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_1); 11 Apr 2001 20:32:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 57982 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2001 20:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2001 20:32:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r19.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.73) by mta2 with SMTP; 11 Apr 2001 20:32:04 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.71.c69af42 (3657) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <71.c69af42.28061928@aol.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:31:36 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] A set of questions To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_71.c69af42.28061928_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_71.c69af42.28061928_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2001 1:59:09 PM Central Daylight Time, lojbab@lojban.org writes: > More interesting (no idea whether it has been discussed) would be the > corresponding front end "natural starting point", in which case we could > talk about that period in which the bridi holds "too soon" with a mirror > tense of za'o. But we have neither of these because pc did not tell be > that such tenses were found in some natural language, whereas the > There has been a discussion of the mirror image of {za'o} and related concepts (mirror of {mo'u}, I suppose), but I don't remember the outcome offhand. It probably got a RECORD if anything was decided, but we probably just tossed it around a lot. {za'o} may occur as a regular tense form in some language, though I can't name one offhand, but it certainly occurs as a living idiom in most languages, "keep on" in English and I think the discussion of {za'o} and it mirror contained quite a number from other languages on which the group has pros. (one {za'o) ran in mid June last year, and the one on the mirror image toward the end of June and into July. The irst ended in a RECORD, the second did not, but does seem ot have touched on something like the period between {co'u) and {mo'u} in that order.) --part1_71.c69af42.28061928_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/11/2001 1:59:09 PM Central Daylight Time,
lojbab@lojban.org writes:


More interesting (no idea whether it has been discussed) would be the
corresponding front end "natural starting point", in which case we could
talk about that period in which the bridi holds "too soon" with a mirror
tense of za'o.  But we have neither of these because pc did not tell be
that such tenses were found in some natural language, whereas the
superfective za'o is found (you'll have to ask pc which language(s) though).


There has been a discussion of the mirror image of {za'o} and related
concepts (mirror of {mo'u}, I suppose), but I don't remember the outcome
offhand.  It probably got a RECORD if anything was decided, but we probably
just tossed it around a lot.
{za'o} may occur as a regular tense form in some language, though I can't
name one offhand, but it certainly occurs as a living idiom in most
languages, "keep on" in English and I think the discussion of {za'o} and it
mirror contained quite a number from other languages on which the group has
pros. (one {za'o) ran in mid June last year, and the one on the mirror image
toward the end of June and into July.  The irst ended in a RECORD, the second
did not, but does seem ot have touched on something like the period between
{co'u) and {mo'u} in that order.) --part1_71.c69af42.28061928_boundary--