From jjllambias@hotmail.com Sat Apr 14 05:36:10 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 14 Apr 2001 12:36:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 55988 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 12:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2001 12:36:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.4) by mta2 with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 12:36:09 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 05:36:09 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.11 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:36:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.11] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner phrases Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 12:36:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2001 12:36:09.0037 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B37A7D0:01C0C4DF] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e > > pe'u ko klama vi > >OK, maybe {ko vi klama}  is more lojbanic, but saying that can start a >row. In both cases {vi} is a tense for the whole event, so one would be saying "make your going somewhere from somewhere via some road by some means happen around here", it sounds more like "stay close" or "don't go too far" than "come here" to me. For "come here" we want "here" to be in the x2 of klama, not as the whole event space tense. Not straightforward to do using tenses. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.