From phma@oltronics.net Sun Apr 15 07:01:20 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 15 Apr 2001 14:01:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9437 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2001 14:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 15 Apr 2001 14:01:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (207.15.133.44) by mta3 with SMTP; 15 Apr 2001 14:00:56 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6D1003C570; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: phma@oltronics.net To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: toldjuno Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:51:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041509574608.16694@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, pycyn@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 4/15/2001 7:10:07 AM Central Daylight Time, >a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com writes: > > >> Why "toldjuno" rather than "naldjuno", and what would "naldjuno" mean? >> >Literally (as always, except when inconvenient) {naldjuno} is just {na djuno} >which could mean that he did not believe it at all (mostly what we want) OR >that he had no evidence for it OR that he did not appreciate the force of the >evidence he had OR that it wasn't true (OR some of those other things we >don't work into our definition). {toldjuno} extracts a particular core from >this, as does "ignore/-ant," leaving the rest intact -- the polar opposite in >the same (dare I say "epistemology"?). No, that would be {nardjuno}. {naldjuno} is the lujvo for {na'e djuno} which just negates {djuno} - the relation between the person and the truth is not knowledge. It could be belief or surmisal, but it is not knowledge. {toldjuno} states that the relation between the person and the truth is the opposite of knowledge - it has never entered his head. phma