From graywyvern@hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 09:24:03 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: graywyvern@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 16 Apr 2001 16:24:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 21706 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.237.130) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:24:02 -0700 Received: from 209.176.48.54 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.176.48.54] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Three more issues Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 16:24:02.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[A62BA690:01C0C691] From: "michael helsem" >From: biomass@hobbiton.org li'o >Without using sets, how can "There are many rats" be said? (The book >says it as ratcu so'imei >Issue B: >As I understand lujvo, any lujvo may be defined *W/O* tanru li'o Good point, but the two canonical kinds do not exhaust the possibilities. For instance, a BRODA BRODE lujvo can also represent BRODE LE BRODA. (Or even BRODE FO LE BRODA.) >Issue B.1: li'o >there is no true way to understand >lujvo from there definition, only get a clue. > usage will decide. LE CAKCINKI & LO'E CAKCINKI aren't replacements for Linnaean fu'ivla anyway. there's a million kinds of beetle! >Issue C: >Since tanru are (very) semantically ambiguous, how can we allow >ourselves to define language concepts using tanru (e.g. , >, etc? Those would mean extremely 'wide' concepts! > using the lujvo from the start would have been a better idea, as in BRIVLA & FU'IVLA, but it's easier for a neophyte to figure out a tanru. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com