From xod@sixgirls.org Mon Apr 16 12:14:05 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: xod@shiva.sixgirls.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 16 Apr 2001 19:14:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 79904 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 19:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Apr 2001 19:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO shiva.sixgirls.org) (63.219.55.100) by mta2 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 19:14:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by shiva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3GJE3t16872 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Q In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Value Yourself On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, And Rosta wrote: > Pierre: > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, biomass@hobbiton.org wrote: > > >How would I say, "I don't know if that is true", as opposed to "I don't > > >know that it is true", which would be ? I > > >guess this has been asked several times, but, well, one again? Please? > > > > Actually {mi na djuno lenu ti drani} is "I don't know the event of this thing > > being correct", which doesn't make much sense. I use {mi na djuno ledu'u ti > > drani} for "I don't know that this is correct" and {mi na djuno lejei > > ti drani} for "I don't know whether this is correct". > > This question should be recorded somewhere as a FAQ and Pierre's answer as > a common error. > > Although historically {jei} may have been intended for such a purpose (i.e. > expressing "whether"), {mi na djuno lejei ti drani} means either "I don't > know TRUE" or "I don't know FALSE", depending on whether {ti drani} is > TRUE or FALSE. You're saying jei refers to a value itself, and is not a variable for the truth value. So then, How about mi na djuno la'e le jei ti drani ------ 1.Why are you measuring the measure? The measure is the same. Even after Great One, the bones will be broken. I am telling you. Relic should believe me. 2.Where after religion you believe in religion and wish that to Ora. Emptiness is that what Baby God's Eye is fighting for.