From jjllambias@hotmail.com Mon Apr 16 16:08:02 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 16 Apr 2001 23:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22125 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.154) by mta3 with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:08:00 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.27] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Q Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 23:08:00.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[152EB590:01C0C6CA] From: "Jorge Llambias" "I don't know that this is correct" is very idiomatic English, it would go into Spanish as "no me consta que esto sea correcto", it means something like "it seems that everybody is taking for granted that this is correct, but I'm not necessarily buying it", or something like that. I don't know that translating it as {na djuno} has the same type of connotation in Lojban... In any case, nobody said that du'u and jei (in its {du'u xukau} second meaning) were not different, they obviously are, and there is no need to search for odd examples: la djan djuno le du'u mi klama le zarci John knows that I go to the market. la djan djuno le du'u xukau mi klama le zarci John knows whether I go to the market. Or, (mis?)using {jei}: la djan djuno le jei mi klama le zarci If {jei} gives a truth value, the latter is nonsense, but this is really the only usage {jei} has had, so maybe {jei} just means {du'u xukau}. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.