From cowan@ccil.org Tue Apr 17 15:37:41 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 22:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 66295 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 11:24:04 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14pTaS-0007gW-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:24:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] not only In-Reply-To: <9bh4l5+l184@eGroups.com> from "A.W.T." at "Apr 17, 2001 10:07:33 am" To: "A.W.T." Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan A.W.T. scripsit: > Not only rats are eating meat, but also cats do. > lo'e ratcu nalpavmei cu citka lo rectu (.iku'i lo'e mlatu si'a/mi'a cu go'i) - > .i mi senpi le du'u di'u ka'e se smuni le se skudji be mi > lo'e ratcu po'enai cu citka lo rectu (.iku'i lo'e mlatu si'a/mi'u cu go'i) ??? Since "not only...but also" is a forethought construction, a good approach is: gi'epo'onai lo'e ratcu giji'a lo'e mlatu cu citka lo rectu Both [only case] [Not!] the-typical rat and [additionally] the-typical cat eat meat. This is very Lojbanic in style: it exposes the logical underpinning of "not only...but also" which is "both...and", and uses discourse cmavo to manage the discourse function of saying that the first case is not unique, and the second case provides an additional instance. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter