From pycyn@aol.com Tue Apr 17 16:02:25 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 17 Apr 2001 23:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 78059 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2001 23:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2001 23:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta3 with SMTP; 17 Apr 2001 23:01:26 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.14.) id r.d6.533e86a (25515) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:01:22 EDT Subject: RE:not only To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.533e86a.280e2542_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_d6.533e86a.280e2542_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someplace back in the archives, whether for the net or various face-to-faces, is the history of {po'o} as a crutch. First semester logic students have bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this problem) and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable. So, to save them from having to think about what they were committed to (while still keeping that commitment tucked away in the deep semantics) we gave them {po'o} with the grammar of UI, so that they wouldn't even have toi struggle with the differences among the various places "only" (solus, monos,...) turned up, but could keep their SAE habits intact (aulun: what does Chinese do for these cases?). This goes back to Loglan and attempts to correct it in the shift to Lojban failed (along with attempts to keep a few clever things from Loglan, alas). Pfui! --part1_d6.533e86a.280e2542_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someplace back in the archives, whether for the net or various face-to-faces,
is the history of {po'o} as a crutch.  First semester logic students have
bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third
century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this problem)
and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable.  So, to save
them from having to think about what they were committed to (while still
keeping that commitment tucked away in the deep semantics) we gave them
{po'o} with the grammar of UI, so that they wouldn't even have toi struggle
with the differences among the various places "only" (solus, monos,...)
turned up, but could keep their SAE habits intact (aulun: what does Chinese
do for these cases?).  This goes back to Loglan and attempts to correct it in
the shift to Lojban failed (along with attempts to keep a few clever things
from Loglan, alas).  Pfui!
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