From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 17:01:29 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 18 Apr 2001 00:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 86590 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 00:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2001 00:01:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.3) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 00:01:26 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:01:25 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.11 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:01:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.11] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:not only Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:01:25 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 00:01:25.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5F53190:01C0C79A] From: "Jorge Llambias" la pycyn cusku di'e >First semester logic students have >bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third >century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this >problem) >and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable. That works for general statements, but how would you handle things like "only the cat likes that chair"? There is no natural way of saying "all likers of that chair are the cat" in Lojban, you end up with {me le mlatu}, which seems to me just about as crutchy as {po'o}. Lojban is not really streamlined for quantifier logic. {po'o} seems to work mainly in conjunction with {le}, I can't see an easy way of using {po'o} for the general "only Ss are Ps". How could we say "only humans kill for sport" using {po'o}? It doesn't work. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.