From cowan@ccil.org Tue Apr 17 19:07:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 18 Apr 2001 02:07:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15159 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 02:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2001 02:07:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 02:07:08 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14phN2-0004Lb-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:07:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] not only In-Reply-To: from "Pycyn@aol.com" at "Apr 17, 2001 07:49:01 pm" To: Pycyn@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan Pycyn@aol.com scripsit: > But of course, the first case being non-unique is not just a discourse > function but a logical and factual one and so belongs in the the > truth-functional realms It *can* belong there. But in this construction I judge we are dealing with a rhetorical emphasis, quite unlike "Not only farmers are fishers." = "Some non-farmers are fishers", where its function is clearly logical. > (by the way, the book say {po'o} must come after what > it modifies:13.12). Attitudinals attached to structuring words like "gi'e" implicitly modify the entire phrase controlled by the "gi'e", just as "le .ui broda brode brodo" applies the ".ui" to the whole sumti, whereas "le broda brode brodo .ui" would apply ".ui" only to "brodo". > (the book also says that "only" is hard to express in predicate > form : "confuses the hell out of beginners" is the correct characterization). With me as the chief beginner. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org One art/there is/no less/no more/All things/to do/with sparks/galore --Douglas Hofstadter