From jjllambias@hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 19:22:09 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 7619 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.172) by mta3 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:22:08 -0700 Received: from 200.41.210.11 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.210.11] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A or B depending on C Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Apr 2001 02:22:08.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E49B6A0:01C0C7AE] From: "Jorge Llambias" la cmeclax cusku di'e >I need to say that the time zone depends on the season. I thought of {tcika >fo >la merko stuna manri .onai la merko stuna donri va'o le citsi}, but is >there a >better way? or should I say {tcika fo la merko stuna crisa .onai la merko >stuna >dunra}? Interesting (and difficult) question! I don't understand the manri/donri contrast, but that's not really the issue. How do we say A or B depending on C? {... onai ... va'o ...} does not work, because that expands to { ... va'o ... ijonai ... va'o ...}, which is not what we want. The best I can come up with is trying to make a lujvo with that structure: either x1 happens or x2 happens depending on x3. Unfortunately {kanxe} and {vlina}, instead of being a conjunction and a disjunction mean "is a conjunction" and "is a disjunction", something much less useful. Let's see, jetnu means "x1 is true", how do we get "x1 is true and x2 is true"? Maybe: jevje'u: x1 is true and x2 is true in epistemology x3. javje'u: x1 is true or x2 is true (or both) in epistemology x3. jovnarje'u: Either x1 is true or x2 is true (not both) in epist. x3. And similarly: jevyfau: x1 happens and x2 happens. javyfau: x1 happens or x2 happens (or both). jovnarfau: either x1 or x2 happen (not both). Now we need to add the "depending on C" part. Maybe: vabjovnarfau: either x1 happens or x2 happens, depending on conditions x3. Maybe not. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.