From Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Wed Apr 18 10:44:55 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 18 Apr 2001 17:44:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 66497 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2001 17:44:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ef.egroups.com) (10.1.2.111) by mta1 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 17:44:53 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de Received: from [10.1.2.240] by ef.egroups.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2001 17:44:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:44:48 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE:not only Message-ID: <9bkjqg+i1eh@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1518 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 193.149.49.79 From: "A.W.T." --- In lojban@y..., pycyn@a... wrote: > Someplace back in the archives, whether for the net or various face-to-fa= =3D=0D ces,=20 > is the history of {po'o} as a crutch. First semester logic students have= =3D=0D =20 > bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third=20 > century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this prob= =3D=0D lem)=20 > and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable. So, to s= =3D=0D ave=20 > them from having to think about what they were committed to (while still = =3D=0D > keeping that commitment tucked away in the deep semantics) we gave them=20 > {po'o} with the grammar of UI, so that they wouldn't even have toi strugg= =3D=0D le=20 > with the differences among the various places "only" (solus, monos,...)=20 > turned up, but could keep their SAE habits intact (aulun: what does Chine= =3D=0D se=20 > do for these cases?... Oh, the Chinese are doing it the pretty common and old-fashioned way: =A4= =A3=A6=FD =3D=0D ... =A6=D3=A5B; =A4=A3=B6=C8... =A6=D3=A5B (bu2 dan4/ jin3 ... er2 qie3 - bu dann/jiin ... erl chyee) which is "not only ... and/= =3D=0D but moreover" almost like in Lojban=20 {gi'epo'onai lo'e ratcu giji'a lo'e mlatu cu citka lo rectu}! for example: =A4=A3=B6=C8=ACO=A4p=AB=C4=A6=D3=A5B=A4j=A4H=A4]=B8=F2=AA=CC= =A4@=B0_=AA=B1 (bu jin shi xiaohai erqie da re=3D=0D n ye genzhe yiqi wan): Not only=20 the kids but also the grown-ups/adults shared in playing. BTW, shouldn't the lojban construction rather use {gi'enapo'o...} if the {l= =3D=0D o'e ratcu} is referred to? co'o mi'e .aulun.