From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Wed Apr 18 14:19:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 18 Apr 2001 21:19:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 48688 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2001 21:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l8.egroups.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2001 21:19:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta2 with SMTP; 18 Apr 2001 21:19:52 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14pzMe-0002eM-00 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:19:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:19:52 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Three more issues Message-ID: <20010418141952.E8495@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <3ADB1FD7.4090900@reutershealth.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010418171442.00be4b60@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418171442.00be4b60@127.0.0.1>; from lojbab@lojban.org on Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:18:08PM -0400 From: Robin Lee Powell On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 05:18:08PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab) wrote: > At 10:00 PM 04/18/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > >John to Avital: > > > > I mean, is lo valsi, isn't it? > > > > > > No. > > > >I think this is an unresolved issue, whether or > >not we simplify the claim to " cu valsi" > >(or, equivalently, "The Beatles cu prenu"). The > >unresolved issue is whether pa valsi is a single > >word (in which case the claim is false) or a single > >amount of wordage (in which case the claim is true). > >I guess usage favours the former. > > A single word is the smallest unit of valsi (valsi selci). In general, > count nouns are counts of selci, though we have examples of mass nouns that > are counted otherwise (ci birje - don't ask me what a birje selci would be). Judging by the definition of selci, it would be the smallest possible unit that would still be beer. Almost certainly a molecule, although depending on how you define beer it might actually be several molecules in a specified proportion. Same with djacu. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/