From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Apr 18 18:55:56 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@onelist.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 01:55:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 47561 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.231) by mta2 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 01:55:55 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:55:54 -0700 Received: from 200.41.247.58 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:55:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.41.247.58] To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [lojban] Three more issues Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:55:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2001 01:55:54.0630 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE831260:01C0C873] From: "Jorge Llambias" la Avital cusku di'e >I don't seem to understand. Why aren't several words cu valsi? Could you ask the question in Lojban please? Each of several words certainly is valsi: {le so'o valsi cu valsi}. A group of words, however, is not a word: {lei so'o valsi cu valsi so'omei gi'enai valsi} >What does >it matter what a pa valsi is? What are the things that {da} can stand for in {ro da poi valsi}? "This" belongs to the set of all words, "this is a sentence" does not belong to the set of all words. Do you think it would be preferable to define {valsi} in such a way that that sentence was a member of {lo'i valsi}? (i li'acai lo'i valsi na valsi) >SOmething told me that Lojban does not >specify number if not specifically specified (that sounded like crap). Maybe not complete crap, but close. You can use {le broda} to refer to {le pa broda} or to {le so'i broda}, that's what it means to say that you don't have to specify number in Lojban. But in both cases you are referring to individual broda. If you want to refer to a group of broda as a whole, you have to use {lei broda}, so the individual/collective distinction is mandatory in Lojban, and sometimes this has to do with the specification of number in other languages. co'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.