From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Thu Apr 19 01:13:47 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 08:13:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28897 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 08:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 08:13:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chain.digitalkingdom.org) (64.169.75.101) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 08:13:46 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14q9ZR-0005GH-00 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:13:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:13:45 -0700 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: RE:not only Message-ID: <20010419011345.D11685@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com References: <9bm6bl+3ano@eGroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <9bm6bl+3ano@eGroups.com>; from Ti@fa-kuan.muc.de on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:07:17AM -0000 From: Robin Lee Powell On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:07:17AM -0000, A.W.T. wrote: > --- In lojban@y..., "Jorge Llambias" wrote: > > > It's extremely hard for me to believe that "only my wife likes > > olives" does not entail "my wife likes olives", but it doesn't > > really matter if this is how English works. In Lojban, if you > > say {le mi speni ku po'o nelci lo'e rasygrute} then you are > > commited to {le mi speni cu nelci lo'e rasygrute}, no matter > > whether the English "equivalent" requires it or not. Also, > > {po'o} is appropriate only if there is no other relevant olive > > liker. Just like in {le mi speni ku ji'a nelci lo'e rasygrute}, > > {ji'a} would be appropriate only if there is some other relevant > > olive liker. > > If this were true (that "only my wife likes olives" does not entail > "my wife likes olives"), I'd be deeply shocked and would have to > state that English *not only* "occasionally" is not a logical > language! For the record, my previous post aside, under normal circumstances, the former _absolutely_ entail the latter in English. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ BTW, I'm male, honest. le datni cu djica le nu zifre .iku'i .oi le so'e datni cu to'e te pilno je xlali -- RLP http://www.lojban.org/