From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Thu Apr 19 12:33:58 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 19:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 68868 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 19:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 19:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 19:33:57 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.252.12.161]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010419193355.STLY283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:33:55 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] RE:not only Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:33:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" pycyn: > Someplace back in the archives, whether for the net or various face-to-faces, > is the history of {po'o} as a crutch. First semester logic students have > bucked at "Only Ss are Ps" as "All Ps are Ss" since at least the third > century bce (a textbook by Theophrastus assumes the student has this problem) > and fans of "the logical language" have been no more tractable. So, to save > them from having to think about what they were committed to (while still > keeping that commitment tucked away in the deep semantics) we gave them > {po'o} with the grammar of UI, so that they wouldn't even have toi struggle > with the differences among the various places "only" (solus, monos,...) > turned up, but could keep their SAE habits intact (aulun: what does Chinese > do for these cases?). That's very much how I remember the birth of po'o, too. > This goes back to Loglan and attempts to correct it in > the shift to Lojban failed (along with attempts to keep a few clever things > from Loglan, alas). Pfui! Which few clever things were lost? --And.