From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Thu Apr 19 12:34:07 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 19:34:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 64031 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta01-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.41) by mta3 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 19:34:06 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.252.12.161]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010419193404.STNW283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:34:04 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] A or B depending on C Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:33:12 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Jorge: > la cmeclax cusku di'e > > >I need to say that the time zone depends on the season. I thought of {tcika > >fo > >la merko stuna manri .onai la merko stuna donri va'o le citsi}, but is > >there a > >better way? or should I say {tcika fo la merko stuna crisa .onai la merko > >stuna > >dunra}? > > Interesting (and difficult) question! > > I don't understand the manri/donri contrast, but that's not > really the issue. How do we say A or B depending on C? > > {... onai ... va'o ...} does not work, because that expands to > { ... va'o ... ijonai ... va'o ...}, which is not what we want. > > The best I can come up with is trying to make a lujvo > with that structure: either x1 happens or x2 happens depending > on x3. This was discussed about 18 months ago: "What i have for dinner depends on what's in the fridge". It generalizes to your case: "Which of {A, B} is true depends on what is C". My brain died before that thread was resolved, but iirc you were happy to handle it as "le du'u Q kau broda kei depends-on le du'u Q kau brode". > > Unfortunately {kanxe} and {vlina}, instead of being a > conjunction and a disjunction mean "is a conjunction" > and "is a disjunction", something much less useful. use "zei .e/ge" and "zei .a/ga" --And. > Let's see, jetnu means "x1 is true", how do we get > "x1 is true and x2 is true"? Maybe: > > jevje'u: x1 is true and x2 is true in epistemology x3. > javje'u: x1 is true or x2 is true (or both) in epistemology x3. > jovnarje'u: Either x1 is true or x2 is true (not both) in epist. x3. > > And similarly: > > jevyfau: x1 happens and x2 happens. > javyfau: x1 happens or x2 happens (or both). > jovnarfau: either x1 or x2 happen (not both). > > Now we need to add the "depending on C" part. Maybe: > > vabjovnarfau: either x1 happens or x2 happens, depending on > conditions x3. > > Maybe not. > > co'o mi'e xorxes > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >