From b.gohla@gmx.de Thu Apr 19 14:27:22 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: b.gohla@gmx.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 21:27:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 54887 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 21:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 21:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.gmx.net) (194.221.183.20) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 21:27:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 16991 invoked by uid 0); 19 Apr 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Received: from b7ae1.pppool.de (HELO linux) (213.7.122.225) by mail.gmx.net (mp001-rz3) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 21:27:18 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Reply-To: b.gohla@gmx.de Organization: private site To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] german translation Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:42:38 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01041812070400.02352@linux> <01041821530000.01220@linux> <20010418135902.D8495@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20010418135902.D8495@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041922423801.00868@linux> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?utf-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Gohla?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 April 2001 22:59, you wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:52:59PM +0200, Bj??rn Gohla wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 April 2001 19:14, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > BTW, speaking of German, a friend of mine was interested in the idea = of > > > a native German speaker translating some of Nietzche's works into > > > lojban. 8) > > I'm having trouble with your lojban, and I don't know whether it's you > or me, so I'm posting my translation attempt here. > > > le ci pu'u binxo pe le menli ba tertavla do mi > > The 3 processes of becoming, the ones associated with the mind, are > going to be the subject of you talking to me. > > > .i te go'i fi le nu le menli cu binxo le kumte > > "te go'i" is, I think, > > do mi tavla le ci pu'u binxo > > so we have: > > mi do tavla le nu le menli cu binxo le kumte > > I talk to you about the event of the mind becoming the camel. > > Umm, _what_? > > > .i go'i fi le nu le cinfo cu selbinxo le kumte > > I talk to you about the event of the camel becoming the lion. > > > .i go'i fi le nu le verba cu binxo le cinfo > > I talk to you about the event of child becoming the lion. actually the lion becoming the child > > Ummm, I should probably mention that I've never read nietzche. I have > _no_ idea what you're talking about. reconsidering your posting, here comes some background "thus spoke zarthustra" is probably nietzsches last work that he wrote bein= g=20 relatively sane, and probably his best known. as most of his works it is=20 written in aphorisms, epigrams, and metaphors, as english translator walter= =20 kaufmann noted "too well written for his own good". it is composed of four= =20 parts, which treat of the fictional sage zarathustra, in effect nietzsches= =20 alter ego. this persona is commonly understood as an allusion to the founde= r=20 of the ahura mazda religion in persia approximately 560 BC of the same name= . the introduction essentially tells of zarathustras retreat and return to th= e=20 world at age 30, dispersing his wisdom to the people. the camel, the lion, the child stand for the different stages the human min= d=20 has to go through to become the "uebermensch", wich is explicated in the=20 following verses. > -Robin - --=20 - ------------------------------------- b.gohla@gmx.de Bj=C3=B6rn Gohla pub 1024D/834F4976 2001-01-07 Bj=C3=B6rn Gohla (Wissenschaftler, Weltb=C3= =BCrger)=20 Key fingerprint =3D 9FF4 FEDA CCDF DA0E 14D5 8129 6C14 3C39 834F 4976 sub 1024g/29571FE2 2001-01-07 = =20 guard your privacy -- use GnuPG -- see: http://www.gnupg.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6303DbBQ8OYNPSXYRAivXAJ9nMIxBPLrLaketZ9zrUe8OacEHLQCcDw1y nDmGAbkmvqzWMtXQ8BmtPsc=3D =3DDuxI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----