From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Apr 19 15:30:00 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 19 Apr 2001 22:29:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 31009 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 22:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l7.egroups.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2001 22:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stmpy-2.cais.net) (205.252.14.72) by mta1 with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 22:29:58 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org (dynamic212.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.212]) by stmpy-2.cais.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3JMTre56114 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010419182524.00bf3eb0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: vir1036/pop.cais.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:33:28 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] RE:not only In-Reply-To: <15.12ea6034.280faec4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: "Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)" At 11:00 PM 04/18/2001 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/18/2001 8:05:17 PM Central Daylight Time, >jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: >I think it is clear that I don't understand what {po'o} means, other than >that it has nothing to do with English "only". It did at one time %^) >Then {po'o} affects truth value I believe it does, and always has. > and should not be a discursive -- and should >probably be replaced by the appropriate form noted earlier, under general >lojbanic principles. As originally proposed, we were looking for a way to express "only", and Nick, I believe it was came up with a rather longwinded logical form for one kind of "only", which po'o was to be an abbreviation of (it may have been the formalization of "[sumti] and no other", but someone looking many years back in the list archives can surely find the original discussion). Thus, as a discursive, it resembles various markers of reflexives, and the word for "etc." that are short forms for logical expressions for which the necessary information is present to construct the logical form (if needed), but for which it usually is a pain to actually do it. Now how this original idea for po'o resembles current usage, I have no idea. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org