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From: "Jorge Llambias" <jjllambias@hotmail.com>


la adam cusku di'e

>I think that ZI is supposed to be parallel to VA, so "co'e za ko'a",
>would happen at a medium time from "ko'a", just as something like
>"citka va le panka" happens a medium distance from the park.

That is the official line, yes.

>OTOH, "za
>lo djedi be li re" has a time interval and not an event tagged, so
>maybe it could mean "2 days ago/hence", but I think that that would
>mean that "cadzu va lo mitre be li mu" would mean "walk(s) (at a
>place) 5 meters away."

Exactly right. I use ZI and VA to tag the actual displacement
of the action, and PU and FAhA to tag the direction from the
reference point. So I would say {citka ne'a le panka} to
indicate some proximity to the park.

>I suppose it would work, but having 2 meanings
>for VA/ZI seems like it might be slightly un-lojbanic.

I use only one of the meanings. It is unfortunate that the
other one was officialized, but it is very useful to have
a simple way of saying "such and such a time ago/hence" or
"such and such a distance away". The reference point can
already be marked with PU/FAhA, so it is a waste to also
use ZI/VA for that and be left with no simple way to mark
the amount of displacement.

co'o mi'e xorxes

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