From pycyn@aol.com Fri Apr 20 12:07:50 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 20 Apr 2001 19:07:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 35812 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2001 19:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 20 Apr 2001 19:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m02.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.5) by mta1 with SMTP; 20 Apr 2001 19:07:49 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.9.) id r.f7.94ce55a (4538) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:07:43 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "not only" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.94ce55a.2811e2ff_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10519 From: pycyn@aol.com --part1_f7.94ce55a.2811e2ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/20/2001 11:35:06 AM Central Daylight Time, xod@sixgirls.org writes: > "Only females can get pregnant". This says two things: > > 1. Non-females cannot get pregnant > 2. * Females can get pregnant > > * is some quantifier. I think it's "su'o". > > (pc disagrees with point 2, if he thinks that olive/wife example is > He thinks it is logically legal and conversationally rude. It is certainly not absurd (whatever that means). By the way, he also thinks that 2 is true but has nothing to do with the original sentence (rather it has to do with the definition of "female" for mammals at least). Does any of this have anything to do with any of my examples? Remember, by the way, that the English example you use is ambiguous, which may be muddling you further (though I don't see how). How do you observe a proposition? Metaphysical glasses? "The Englishman (&?) discusses the topic of discussion (what else is possible?) but the Lojbanist discusses something else (than what it is discussing - that really does look like an absurdity)." Who put foreward this proposition, by the way, that we might "observe it" It is certainly an interesting specimen. "under conditon lacks referent of second, the Englishman tricks and nothing is a meaning of the Lojbanist" doesn't compute, of course, though the intention is relatively clear and it is hard to argue with the last sentence. --part1_f7.94ce55a.2811e2ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/20/2001 11:35:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
xod@sixgirls.org writes:


"Only females can get pregnant". This says two things:

1. Non-females cannot get pregnant
2. * Females can get pregnant

* is some quantifier. I think it's "su'o".

(pc disagrees with point 2, if he thinks that olive/wife example is
anything but an absurdity)


He thinks it is logically legal and conversationally rude.  It is certainly
not absurd (whatever that means).  By the way, he also thinks that 2 is true
but has nothing to do with the original sentence (rather it has to do with
the definition of "female" for mammals at least).
Does any of this have anything to do with any of my examples?  Remember, by
the way, that the English example you use is ambiguous, which may be muddling
you further (though I don't see how).
<ni'o ko zgana le du'u le glico cu casnu le selsnu .i ku'i le lojbo cu
casnu na'ebo le selsnu

ni'o va'o claxu la'e 2mai ku le glico cu tcica .ije no da smuni le lojbo>

How do you observe a proposition?  Metaphysical glasses?  "The Englishman (&?)
discusses the topic of discussion (what else is possible?) but the Lojbanist
discusses something else (than what it is discussing - that really does look
like an absurdity)."  Who put foreward this proposition, by the way, that we
might "observe it"  It is certainly an interesting specimen.  
"under conditon lacks referent of second, the Englishman tricks and nothing
is a meaning of the Lojbanist"  doesn't compute, of course, though the
intention is relatively clear and it is hard to argue with the last sentence. --part1_f7.94ce55a.2811e2ff_boundary--