From a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com Fri Apr 20 18:53:54 2001 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@dtn.ntl.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_2); 21 Apr 2001 01:53:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 6300 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2001 01:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.27) by l9.egroups.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2001 01:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta07-svc.ntlworld.com) (62.253.162.47) by mta2 with SMTP; 21 Apr 2001 01:53:53 -0000 Received: from andrew ([62.252.12.3]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010421015351.KXLP285.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@andrew> for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:53:51 +0100 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Three more issues Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:52:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010418171442.00be4b60@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" Lojbab: > At 10:00 PM 04/18/2001 +0100, And Rosta wrote: > >John to Avital: > > > > I mean, is lo valsi, isn't it? > > > > > > No. > > > >I think this is an unresolved issue, whether or > >not we simplify the claim to " cu valsi" > >(or, equivalently, "The Beatles cu prenu"). The > >unresolved issue is whether pa valsi is a single > >word (in which case the claim is false) or a single > >amount of wordage (in which case the claim is true). > >I guess usage favours the former. > > A single word is the smallest unit of valsi (valsi selci). In general, > count nouns are counts of selci, though we have examples of mass nouns that > are counted otherwise (ci birje - don't ask me what a birje selci would be). So are you saying that there's a rule of lojban lexical semantics that says that when counting broda you could the smallest units of broda, except in the case of certain specified lexical exceptions? --And.